so the reaction of the so-called republican establishment coming in. some of graham's rivals. jeb bush, john kasich, both tweeting their praise for lindsey graham and notably here mentioning isis, national security. you have john mccain up there, graham, his good friend. mitt romney a luminary in the party. again making reference to national security and sort of key here, aspects of national security, the hawkishness of graham and he's sort of from that republican party establishment that doesn't want to nominate donald trump, doesn't want to nominate ted cruz saying if we don't want cruz and trump, we have to come together the establishment. we can show you the dilemma in the poll up there in new hampshire. take a look at this. donald trump easily in first place there. but take a look at rubio, christie, kasich, bush. the four of them you call them sort of establishment

candidates. individually clobbered by donald trump. add the numbers together, that's more than donald trump so if that establishment especially in new hampshire that's the state that looms key as early on to stop donald trump and get together behind one of the candidates and the role lindsey graham perhaps to play and a role that john mccain to play now that he's not bound to back graham and sort of a free agent, if they could get that establishment behind one candidate, really get it to coalesce they could have a shot in new hampshire at donald trump but remaining divided you see there in the poll, donald trump dominates in new hampshire. >> as you have been saying, 0% of the polls, the question in terms of where the supporters of grab might go may not matter but the question to be asked graham's candidacy, who did it hurt in the race and how did it? >> right. in terms of actual voters out there, you are right. there really wasn't any support of graham that popped up over

six months but behind the scenes had two things going on. one was he had some very notable supporters in the elected official class, talk about john mccain. john mccain is somebody who could go into new hampshire, a state that he won as a candidate in 2000. this is a state that he won in 2008. this is a state where a lot of those republican leaning independents have a very favorable view of john mccain. john mccain was going to back graham as long as graham was going to keep doing this. now john mccain could go into new hampshire and if he weighed in on behalf of one of the candidates it could mean something in new hampshire. south carolina, graham's state of south carolina, how many people on the sidelines in south carolina officially out of deference to graham? he was not registering that much in the polls in south carolina but among politicians and figures in the party keeping people on the sidelines to a doctoring. that won't happen anymore. >> he has to win at home to move

forward. steve, thank you so much. meanwhile, talk about one of his former competitors, donald trump wants an apology from a different person. that's hillary clinton. after she declared isis actively uses videos of trump as a propaganda tool at the democratic debate this weekend. on the "today" show trump accused clinton of lying about everything. >> i will demand an apology from hillary. okay? you can be the messenger. i will demand an apology from hillary. she should apologize. she lies about e-mails. she lies about whitewater. she lies about everything. she will be a disaster as president of the united states. >> trump holding a campaign rally tonight in grand rapids, michigan. where we find ali vitali. we're hearing from the clinton camp responding with some of their own clear language. >> reporter: well, if donald trump sounded confident this

morning, this should probably give him pause about whether he'll get the apology or not. brian fallon saying hell no, hillary clinton will not be apologizing for, quote, correctly pointing out how trump's hateful rhetoric helps isis recruit more terrorists. not apologizing to donald trump any time soon and puts cold water on trump's very fiery comments this morning on "today" show. >> emphatic there, right? hell no being the used words in the comment. as we look at donald trump, looking at his language and the way he is addressing hillary clinton is this a debate he can win according to the camp? >> reporter: not hearing that word from the campaign but donald trump doesn't do anything halfway. if he's going to come at someone

and ask for an apology, he will really ask for an apology. more with the gop field at large, you saw people like jeb bush coming out with an interesting opportunity to coalesce not necessarily around in defense of trump but against hillary clinton, being able to draw that contrast. jeb bush said today it took a lot of chutzpah for her to rally these claims and the opportunity for the rest of the field and awkward considering jeb bush spends so much time hitting donald trump. definitely an opportunity for them to really show that hillary clinton is being unfair to the republicans and really pushing more of their stance on the issue. >> ali, as you know, president obama speaking with npr and in the interview saying that trump is exploiting working class fears over economic security. any reaction from the trump camp on that statement? >> reporter: well, i'm sure we are going to hear something about that tonight in michigan and if we don't hear it tonight on the stage then on twitter. but really, something that i see

a lot at a lot of these rallies people are afraid about national security, they do want someone to bring back jobs and feel that donald trump is that person and say they frequently to hear him talk about jobs and how he's going to keep america safe, especially in the aftermath of the attacks in san bernardino and in paris. and he's said multiple times that he's changed the stump speech to change the mood of the people and they're concerned whereabout their jobs are going and frequently says he'll bring them back and i think a lot of voters i talk to tell me the reason they're confident that he is that person who can do that is because of his strong rhetoric. might get him in trouble with people like us, make him controversial but it also makes them man that they feel that they can believe in, he doesn't seem beholden and says whatever

he needs to say to prove he's the person for the job. >> ali, thank you so much. speaking of the back and forth, the jabs and the punches here, marco rubio spending the day campaigning in new hampshire while under attack himself from rivals. rand paul targeting him for missed senate votes and ted cruz continuing to accuse him of supporting amnesty. kay sis hunt is covering the rubio campaign from washington. good day to you. when's the mood right now as cruz and the superpac with a six-figure attack buy to hit rubio on immigration. >> reporter: good afternoon, richard. this is of course the emerging fight between cruz and rubio we have now seen burst out into the open. we knew behind the scenes this would happen for quite sometime. the cruz campaign believing this is rubio's weakness especially in a place like iowa and why you saw rubio back away from the gang of eight bill or at least being the most aggressive

promoter after that bill passed, stepping back ward. they know that his support for the bill is a problem for many of the conservative base, especially in a place like iowa. rubio campaign succeeded to a certain degree putting ted cruz on the defense on this issue and that's actually in some ways a remarkable achievement. cruz is somebody who had been most aggressive opposing that bill and they have gotten into a back and forth over an amendment and enough that cruz and allies feel they have to defend cruz and they're doing it now by attacking rubio. >> as we look at the two candidates back and forth, both latino american candidates. any reaction from the latino american community specifically on how these two are at odds at the moment? >> there are a lot of republicans who behind the scenes say that it's very good for their party that at the end of the day two of their most prominent presidential candidates are people with hispanic roots and i think it's

something that people take pride in. if anything, republicans will say, hey, this is a sign that we're moving beyond these kind of politics, that, you know, they're going back and forth with each other just like any other two candidates regardless of the background. democrats are pretty quick to dismiss the idea of hispanic roots pushing policies positive for hispanics. speaking to many democratic-leaning groups, they'll say, you know what? she may not have hispanic roots but hillary clinton put it is policy proposals ahead of where marco rubio or ted cruz would put them. >> thank you so much. msnbc's kasie hunt for us, appreciate it. for analysis, i'm joined by managing editor mark halperin. thank you for stopping by. >> great to be here. >> what's this say about where we are in the arc of what's happening on the gop side? >> well, that it's a big,

crowded field. senator graham said this is a race about personality. donald trump first and foremost and a senator with military background and national security record who's not doing well in the polls, not raising a lot of money in a crowded field won't find political oxygen. >> what is next? you heard steve talking about the mccain endorsement and graham saying he won't endorse anybody right now. who can gain the most from the mccain endorsement? >> mccain and graham i think representative and important representatives of a lot of members of congress, republicans, governors, donors who want an establishment candidate, primarily christie and rubio and some bush and kasich to say who come january, february can stand shoulder the shoulder face to face snout to snout with ted cruz and donald trump and be in the race? and i think each of them can make an argument and none of them made a winning argument and people are saying how do we determine when's able to do it? polling or something else? >> graham, although out of the

race right now and he did so well for mccain early on when mccain was running. who might he be out there to help and is he a voice that's relevant right now? >> graham is not going to be as big a voice as john mccain but they again representative of a search for somebody and i think they'll go all in. maybe not before iowa or new hampshire and not sure who to bet on. i'm virtually certain that come iowa and new hampshire and both cruz and trump do well, you're going to see them make a -- take a collective deep breath saying, you know what? strongest one out of the new hampshire looks like marco rubio or looks like chris christie or looks like jeb bush or john kasich. i wouldn't write any of the four of them go and i think a pretty big collective group and i think you can bet that graham and mccain go the same way. >> mark, looking back at the previous cycles, one go, sometimes a second go very soon

after. is there somebody you're watching? >> graham got out because today's the last day to not be on the ballot and also so he can endorse someone else and not draw votes and people might just vote for him recognizing the name. i think everybody else now of the big candidates, the six or seven in play here, i think they're in it for the long haul and meaning through iowa. not going to get out over the holidays because come january, hope springs eternal for all of them and look at that and the assets and liabilities and say i'll be a finalist. then i can win. >> assets literally and figuratively looking at the numbers there. appreciate it. following breaking news here. video from our nbc affiliate chopper over the scene. this is a situation where the sky tower ride if you will at sea world, they say they have been stuck there for more than two hours. emts just getting on top of the

ride to check on the passengers inside. sea world officials saying they're working closely to get the stuck riders down safely from that. right now, by phone, joining us, someone aboard the sky tower. michael moffitt. we have some video earlier of looks like, again, as i was describing some workers trying to get folks into that little dinghy if you will to get them outside of where you are at. what are you seeing? >> the cage -- it rode to the top and then got stuck. the emergency brake locked up. we have just recently had the emt come through and the maintenance personnel in the red hat rode to the top. hold on. the ride leaving the roof to get more maintenance guys to release the emergency brake. >> to release is march brake.

is that what you're saying? >> yeah. it is locked up and that's what -- >> from what you're hearing then from the workers there is that the emergency brake is keeping the, if you will, the ride that you're on, the platform from moving either up or down. is that what you're telling me you're hearing? >> that's correct. >> so, michael, we just -- you may not see this right now, but we did see earlier, begin, a little bit of -- it's a round platform that was lowered down. do you see that still above you or gone? >> the emt in the yellow hat, the maintenance worker in the red hat, they came into the chamber, the unit here and the cage about to go back down to get more maintenance guys. >> got it. got it. how are you doing?

do you feel safe? what's the sense right now there in the platform you're senate. >> everyone's just sitting here bored and looking out the window and wanting to get off. we just had a little rise up. >> great. >> it raised up a little bit. oh now we're going up and down a little bit. a little bit nervous here. >> oh, i do see it moving. you're going up, right? >> up a little bit, yes. >> all right. so we'll see what happens next for you. did the platform move smoothly? a sudden jerk? >> pretty jerky. >> it sounds like despite all of this, you're keeping a good sense to yourself. laughing a little bit there. is it a common feeling with the rest of the folks? are you going down now? >> no. we went up a bit and then down a little bit. i don't see us moving yet. are we moving down now?

yeah. looks like we're moving down slowly now. yeah, we are descending. >> looks like from the chopper that we have got here, michael, we can see it moving down it appears a little. and is it turning or is it just going straight down? >> it turns as it goes up and down. yes. >> okay. so is the worker inside the platform with you light you in the cylinder? >> there's a two-level platform. he's not on my level. >> okay. so you are on the lower level? >> that's correct. >> and for the most part have the individuals in your platform and your level remained pretty calm? >> yes. >> and when you were stuck, is it about midway? at least it looks that way. about midway and about a 400-foot hightower. looks like you were stuck about midway. is that right? >> that's correct.

>> and how many -- is it just one helicopter you see here? >> no. there have been four or five helicopters floating around here. >> got it. what we have been noticing is the park is continuing to operate around you with rides and the water around you, too. >> yes. that's correct. there's some flamingo boat rides in the distance, right. >> yeah. >> we are just about down. >> looks like you're steadily moving down. is it pretty smooth? >> oh yeah. yep. >> do you hear anything? are there any noises that you can hear with the ride? >> no, no. it's perfectly quiet and slow and really nice and smooth. >> looks like you're hitting the bottom here, my friend, good to see. did you any -- any smell in you were mentioning brakes and sometimes hearing the word brakes you can get a sense of the smell of it working. any smells that you've been able to detect?

>> no. there was no smell at all. >> all right. so looks like you're now at least from our view you're back into the building where the ride loads s. that right? >> that's correct. we just hit bottom. >> tell me what you're seeing and what they may be saying. >> we are about to get off. >> you're about to get off. you were there for, what? two hours? >> boarded about 12:05, yes. >> 12:05. are you there with your family? >> yes, sir. >> what is your family been saying to you about this whole thing? >> my 6-year-old and 8-year-old are playing minecraft until the batteries died and now jumping around and trying to entertain themselves. >> really bored with sitting here. >> and being really bored sitting here. >> really bored. you know, michael, i think we're glad that it ended up to be a boring situation. wouldn't you agree?

>> exactly. >> and the ride that you were going to take to just get a nice view of the park turned out to be quite something. >> yes. little longer than we wanted to be. >> all right. great. thank you so much. i know that you have been posting, as well, and periscoping and talking with folks about your experience there. we're glad that the red hat made it all happen for you and the brakes were released and that you have made it back down and for your family, enjoy the rest of your stay there at sea world. >> thank you. take care. merry kris ms. >> very good. just finishing the end of what was quite an exciting ride and looked about 40 folks stuck in sea world sky tower about a 400-foot hightower. stuck about midway which is about 40 to 50 stories, excuse me, 20 to 25 stories that they were up in the air. and you can hear from michael moffitt that he was fairly calm and that his kids, as well, were enjoying their time despite what could have been at least the appearance of a very harrowing

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a long time friend of the san bernardino shooters enrique marquez appeared in federal court for a bond hearing short time ago where bond was denied. he is charged with buying the rifles that were used in the san bernardino attack and plotting earlier attacks that never happened. officials saying there is no evidence that he was involved in the shooting in san bernardino. let's bring in justice correspondent pete williams with the very latest for us. hey, pete. >> it was brief hearing, richard. the prosecutors had said that bail should be denied, held in jail pending his trial for two reasons. one, he's a flight risk. secondly, a danger to the community. the judge said he's no evidence that he's a flight risk but based on the charge of the terrorism, material support to terrorism charge, he will be denied bail. the terrorism charge says in

2010 and 2011 he conspired with farook to carry out two terror attacks in southern california, attacks never carried out because they got cold feet, because unrelated terror arrests in the area so on that basis that means he'll be held in a lock-up facility in los angeles. he'll be back in court next month and have hearings then and then enter a plea and the trial judge will set a trial date. the government will probably set forth an indictment here, a grand jury indictment to move this into the next phase. but that's it for him. he'll be in jail now for the next couple of weeks until he's back in court for a hearing and remain in custody until his trial a date to be set later, richard. >> pete, is this expected to pass fairly smoothly as time goes by because it sounds like the time line that you have laid out for us at this moment that he will be in jail as you were just mentioning and then within weeks or months would be the next step for him. >> well, it's actually moving

quickly. the normal course is government has up to 30 days to get an indictment and if there's no indictment then there can't be a prosecution. what usually happens at a case like this is there can be a preliminary hearing unless the government does an indictment first and looks like that will happen and the next stage will be his arraignment on the indictment and i think it happens early in january. >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, thank you so much, pete. >> you bet. president obama is in hawaii with his family today taking some time off to celebrate the holidays before leaving, though, the president sat down with npr for a wide ranging interview and the administration's strategy for defeating isis. >> i think there is a legitimate criticism of what i've been doing and our administration's been doing in the sense that we haven't, you know, on a regular

basis, i think, described all the work that we have been doing for more than a year now to defeat isil. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is traveling with the president and joins us from honolulu with more and when's being said about the answer on the administration's handling of isis so far? >> reporter: i think what you are looking at sheer a way for the president to acknowledge the reason that his poll numbers may have been dropping, criticism from the general public, fear that some have said he's not properly sort of tapped into and at the same time the president is making clear in his remarks and the lengthy and as you pointed out wide ranging interview he believes his strategy, approach, military response is the right one and that some of the calls on the presidential republican side to do more in terms of more bombing or no-fly zones or things of that nature, dismisses that. he didn't talk politics in some of the way that is you might

have expected. he was not jumping at the chance to criticize republicans or talk about the presidential field but he did in this interview weave through some issues that bring this up. in two cases, he actually named a republican who was in the field and one that we learned today is exiting the field. but first let's tell you what the president said about donald trump. this came not really on a political question but one this deals with more of the issue of some of the anger that's been directed at the president himself, some of the condition in the country coming to changing economy, perhaps how some feel that they have been left behind by the economy with demographic changes, with technological changes and pointed out blue collar men and in that context, the president referred to donald trump. >> you combine those things and it means that there is going to be potential anger, frustration, fear.

some of it justified but just misdirected and, you know, i think somebody like mr. trump's taken advantage of that. i mean, that's what he's exploiting during the course of his campaign. >> reporter: so a very even tone from the president but using pointed words, exploited, taking advantage of. but when he turned to another republican who had been in the field, lindsey graham, if president had sort of praise for him giving him credit for the way that graham during the course of the campaign that ran about six months for him how he distinguished himself from barack obama on military policy. the president said many of the other candidates just sort of advocated for do more, bomb more. graham he said is more precise and how he gave lindsey graham credit before, of course, graham left the race today. >> you know, to his credit i think lindsey graham is one of the few who has been at least

honest about suggesting here's something i would do that the president is not doing. he doesn't just talk about being louder or sounding tougher. >> reporter: so you get the sense that the president has respect for the position graham had and disagrees sharply on substance and asked about hillary clinton when's advocated for a no-fly zone over syria. could that be a way to change the sort of nature of what's happening? and the president said that that really would only affect the syrian regime which is its own sort of issue because i think does sflot an air force and the president said, he doesn't advocate for that and a close allies hillary clinton has spoken in favor of it. richard? >> kelly o'connell with the president joining us from hawaii, thank you so much. with more now, i'm joined by david rothkof. so you heard what kelly's reporting was and the president also in that interview addressing the issue of the

threat of isis specifically to the existence of the united states and he did not say that it necessarily threatened that very nature, the existential, if you will, threat of isis to the u.s. and said that's not quite what i see. what is your snaugt. >> it's very important to take the isis threat seriously and recognize that they can't change our way of life unless we let them change our way of life. if we overreact as we have done in the past, we are likely to do their work for them. and so i think the president's moderation on this is wise. he's open to criticism on what he's done on the ground in syria and iraq. i think there's a fair critique that there were steps he could have taken, more troops on the ground, no-fly zone and so forth we has not but in terms of framing it i think he framed it

exactly right. >> 20,000 troops on the ground suggested by graham. is that the number that the president should be considering, that lindsey graham plan there? >> we can debate it. i've talked to military officials and saome said 10,000 troops, 20,000 troops or please keep us out of this thing. but i do think there's a sense that if the u.s. is just sending a few advisers, ahandful of advisers, we are not really able to provide the support that either the iraqis need or that moderate elements in syria need. we're not going to be able to do the training and seen as being engaged and ramping it up i think ultimately makes sense. >> i want to turn to something you've written. in september, many of the factor that is have led the world to this factor are indemonstrateic

nick and cannot be denied that a contributing factor has been the policies of the obama administration. in your opinion, policies or ability to communicate the policies to america? >> well, look. the president made the point doing the npr interview that he could have done a better job talking about what we have done in tikrit, the cities we have gained back. >> successes. >> yeah. it helps the american people understand when's going on, it sends a message that count erps isis' message. but i think part of it, frankly, not enough troops on the ground, not taking action in syria earlier, not thinking about a no-fly zone and the concrete things he could have done and both. it's not one or the other. >> you get to write out the message here. how should the president be talking about isis? >> just the way he's talking about it. i think the president needs to act in a somewhat more assertive

way with regard to isis. he doesn't want to go down the road that george w. bush went down. i think he views his mandate from seven years ago as being don't go down that road again but having said that i think that isis has emerged as a threat not just to syria and iraq and the refugees going into europe and they play a role in european politics, when they spread extremists throughout the world as a result of this kind of thing, we see that these problems won't stay where they are. we need to contain them and that requires action in addition to the right rhetoric and tone. >> along the way, getting allies and would not want that for the reasons we have seen so far, paris as an example. >> and the french playing a more leading role in this. but of course, that's not the way you want this to develop. you don't want to develop allies having more attacks. >> clearly not. thank you. >> my pleasure. 10,000 former juveniles

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new york governor andrew cuomo announce add proposal to pardon thousands of people. among the eligible, anyone found guilty of nonviolent misdemeanors or felonies 16 or 17 and who have kept a clean record for at least 10 years since. i'm here with now glen martin, the founder and president of just leadership usa and chief legal correspondent ari melber. ari, a thing that the governor said, i'll quote here. a way to help, he says, help people get on with their life when you're young you can make a mistake and maybe you don't have to worry the burden for your entire life. what's your take on what he

would like to do here? >> well, look. this is a significant in a system that in new york which is had under the rockefeller laws some of the strictest approaches here, no matter what your age, what he is trying to do is basically say if you have paid your debt and it's over a decade later with no reoffense, this is not held against you and using that executive communation power and using it as a policy to change the punishment for these people that shouldn't last their whole lives they said. >> 10,000 lives here. one estimate has it here, glen. as a qualify for this, certain requirements and if you do fall outside of the requirements after getting the pardon, you will, therefore, of course, lose that pardon dorgt way it'sdy scribed it right now. will it really change the lives as the governor is describing? >> it is a lot of criteria in place to reduce the numbers considerably. one of them being that you have to be living in new york. one of them being as you said that you have to have remained

trouble free for ten years. the problem is that cuomo is really undoing a lot of the damage that his dad created in this state. essentially, his dad was around at a time when crime was pretty high and tough on crime like most republicans and democrats were at the time and essentially here's a chance to give these folks a chance to get on with their lives and the criteria is pretty high. i'm hoping some point to get a few thousand people to get the pardons and loosens the criteria to pull other folks in and new york is one of two states that charchs 16-year-olds as adults automatical automatically. new york and north carolina tie governor would like to get it up to 18. practical? possible to happen here? >> i think it has to happen. i mean, essentially all the states figured it out. connecticut's governor saying to go further. the research says that young people all the way up to 24, their brain's still developing, high appetite for risk and then age out of crime and essentially here we have a state that is

arguably one of the most progressive states in the union and same time one of the most archaic laws with our young folks. >> yeah. another piece that goes also to national audience people saying this is just new york. well, no. this is what republicans have been talking about the president for years and the idea if you do your time an you're out of prison what do we want people to do? do we want them to reintegrate in society? get ljobs and have a productive life over be saddled with the discrimination to follow them for decades? ? >> as someone who served six years in prison, i can't tell you how many people i met that never got their lives back together. they point to me as the exception but the real exception is i'm exposed to exceptional opportunities and that's what he wants to do for other folks. >> how practical this might be. details right now even if you

get the pardon on, the application, the question to check, that box to check, have you ever been convicted of a crime. you still get that box and get a letter, a documentation to be pardoned. would that work and help to remove that mark you're talking about? >> i sit on the govern nor's reentry council and banned the box for government jobs. there's been other efforts in new york city. nationally, our president signed an executive order recently to do so. pandora's box is wide open. everywhere in this country including criminal records and hard to get people to understand that the best way to get beyond a criminal record to eliminate the record. these folks have been not in trouble for ten years. i would suggest to maybe even just expunge the record. >> i would say, look. when a lot of proposals began, people thought, well, that sounds fair. can't employers find out a little bit of information and maybe it did sound fair and what we know from the research, the

cited this. i was reporting on this. what we found in the research is for the most part, employers find out a felony record, they throw the thing out. they don't look at them. that wasn't why the policy was created, not how it's supposed to work and if you don't want people to reoffend you want them to get the jobs. >> not even an opportunity to get the letter or documentation. an opportunity there perhaps to adjust the process as described. ari, glen, thank you so much. great conversation. a deadly hit and run in las vegas last night. police believe 24-year-old lakeisha holloway killed a person on the sidewalk and injuring over 30 others. witnesses saying the scene was hard to believe. >> suddenly saw like people fly in the air so because the car hit them and it was like a bowling ball hitting pins. >> today the clark county district attorney said he intends to file a murder charge

against holloway and other charges as information comes in. a 3-year-old child was inside that car at the time of the crash but was not injured. let's bring in reporter scott co 4n from las vegas. you know, the big question here and asked on the ground there and here in the newsroom, any motive here so far? >> reporter: no. no, we don't know. that is the biggest question here. we know a few things now about lakeisha holloway, he was living out of her car as much as a couple of weeks in areas and structures here in las vegas with the 3-year-old toddler and some point yesterday evening around 6:30 she somehow or another either snapped or decided to do this, driving on to a sidewalk of about 100 people, injured more than 30 of them and then making a right turn up the strip and another right turn into the casino parking lot, leave it is car

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it's the first day of winter, but someone forgot to tell mother nature about that. much of the country is experiencing unseasonably warm winter, melting the hopes for anyone dreaming of a white christmas. rafael miranda has all of our holiday forecast. i'm sneaking a peek. seems like you've reversed the coasts. >> yeah, colder out west, out east, like a california christmas for many, richard. we're talking about over 200 million americans could be seeing major warmth throughout the christmas holiday. let's take a look at the snowfall forecast. sorry i have to do this to the kids out there.

but this is the next five days. no snow east of the rockies, a white christmas is not going to happen. lots of snow in the rockies and the cascades, several feet in fact. that's where you want to be if there's still time to book that travel. look at the jet stream surging to the north. temperatures, 25 to 30 degrees above average and that's all the way from the midwest right through the northeast. let's take a look at some of the records. hundreds of records are likely to fall over the next couple days. the black numbers, that's the forecast high, 86 in orlando. savannah, charleston, also expected to break high temperatures. d.c., 60s and 70s. new york city to boston, we are forecasting 73. this continues beyond christmas as well, richard. so really no sign of winter just yet east of the rockies.

>> i was looking at this and i was thinking, the graphics department made an error or something. >> it does seem like an error. rafael, thanks so much. >> and of course we'll continue to watch all of the weather happening throughout the coming week as we move toward christmas. along with that, where you're going, and how much it's going to cost. another great thing about that, when we look at gas prices, something that's going to ease the pain just a little, the average price for a gallon of gas has dropped below $2 for the first time since 2009. that's a little extra holiday cheer for the more than 91 million drivers planning to hit the road. olivia sterns, i need to find out what's happening. crude is hitting new records as well. is that causing the low prices? >> yes, gas and oil, its main ingredient are closely correlated. we have $2 gas, good news for

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>> this afternoon the clinton camp responded to trump's request. her spokesman saying, quote, hell no. hillary clinton will not be apologizing to donald trump for correctly pointing out how his hateful rhetoric only helps isis recruit more terrorists. so very pointed language here, brian. hell no is the way you start the response, saying that you are not going to apologize for this. your candidate will not apologize for what was said. why such strong language responding to donald trump? >> a couple points. hillary clinton was spot on in observing that the hateful rhetoric that we are hearing from donald trump is playing into the hands of isis and other terrorism groups that are trying

to tell muslims across the world that the united states and the west is against, out to fight islam, the entire religion. when he spews hateful rhetoric, suggesting to bar all muslims, including muslim americans who are serving our country from re-entering the united states, it plays right into their hands. so is she going to take a back seat to donald trump and stand down in the face of his attempt to bully her as he has done to the rest of the republican field? absolutely not. and if we had heard other republican candidates standing up to trump before now, then maybe we wouldn't be in this place where he's still considered the front-runner and he still continues to get away with this hateful rhetoric that is making it less safe here in the united states of america. >> so the criticism of the comment here is, where is this video? >> there is footage all across the middle east airing of the comments that he made and the proposal he made to bar muslims from entering the united states.

nbc news has reported that the comments are playing into the hands of isis and inspiring terrorists to join isis. we can point to clips all across networks in the middle east, before arab audiences that are touting these remarks by donald trump, and if we think isis isn't pointing to that footage, we're fooling ourselves. >> so you have proof? >> these comments are aired across the middle east, isis is pointing to them on social media. it's making us less safe. it's farcical to suggest from donald trump of all people, that hillary clinton should apologize to him. he has jumped to a 30% standing in the polls by lying and deliberately mischaracterizing on issue after issue, and not a single republican from jeb bush on down has stood up to him. they've turned the other cheek

and now he gets away with these claims unchallenged. >> part of the debate, for what was said by hillary clinton and i'll quote it here, saying, we are now finally where we need to be. any regrets in that statement? >> that comment is being misconstrued by critics of hillary clinton that are trying to twist her words. she was in the course of making the comment that we cannot fall into a false choice between confronting isis and continuing to abide the assad regime in place in syria. there were suggestions on the stage on saturday and elsewhere, that we need to focus on one and give up removing assad from power. what we saw last week, was a u.n. security council resolution that laid out a path for a political transition in syria. her comment applied that there was world consensus, that we need to seek political transition from the assad regime in syria, at the same time we're

countering isis. >> another part of the debate is the data breach fall-out. it was discussed during the debate. sanders apologized to your candidate at the debate. and you said you accept that apology, however, you have concerns about the innuendo that he's saying, your camp, the hillary clinton camp, has done the same to him. >> this is important. obviously saturday was a great moment, senator sanders appropriately apologized for the very severe breach that happened last week by his campaign staff. hillary clinton was magnanimous in accepting that apology. but in the 48 hours since, senator sanders and top campaign aides, like his campaign manager, have gone around trying to down play the severity of the breach by suggesting there's some apples to apples comparison to something that happened last october. >> i can tell you this, unequivocally, our campaign has never laid eyes on any data relating to the sanders

campaign, let alone tried to copy it. we've never done that to them. and they need to stop spreading this innuendo to try to make it seem like everybody's doing this. it was a severe breach. they shouldn't try to down play it. they should let the apology stand and cooperate with the audit to get to the bottom of this. >> how worried are you about the data they have seen and what they may know? >> it's very significant. it's clinton campaign data that the bernie sanders' campaign made an attempt to save and store. it looked into the number of supporters in iowa and new hampshire, that we have determined have a strong likelihood will support hillary clinton and voters in iowa and new hampshire that are likely to support bernie sanders. we score them in terms of their likelihood to turn out. that's valuable data and it comes together based on important work that our volunteers do, knocking on doors

and making phone calls to get assessments of whether people are likely to participate in the election. that's very valuable information. >> and i understand there's going to be a new clinton? >> i think that hillary clinton is always very quick to point out that she's a grandmother. and chelsea clinton has another one on the way. >> they'll have one more blessing to count. brian, thanks so much. appreciate your time today. >> thanks for having me. >> joining us now to discuss this very topic, harbaugh hosts chris matthews. as you've been listening to what has been said by brian, and you got a sense of certainly some of the back and forth between the sanders' camp and the clinton camp, as well as trump and clinton, what do you feel about all of this? >> well, what i feel about it is a strange question.

what i feel about it is irrelevant. what i've noticed it, brian made a very strong rebuttal of what trump's been saying about there is no such thing as a video of him being used by the arab forces or islamic forces to pound against the united states. particularly the islamists, the terrorists. it's a snipe punt. if i were the clinton people, i'd be out there looking for that video, instead of arguing it. if they can find a video on any television or social media where they can show an anti-american, terrorist group using video of donald trump to build their team, to recruit, they've got the argument won. if they don't, it's a battle of words and i don't think they'll win it. i think it will be at best a draw. but if they can find a tape and through whatever means they can,

search engines, whatever they can find to prove donald trump has been used, his video of him saying things about arabs and islamic people, they have won this argument and certainly won this round big time if they can prove it. >> so as trump and clinton go at each other, trump was defended today by one of the most unlikeliest of sources, that's jeb bush himself. this is what jeb bush said. >> hillary clinton suggesting that donald trump is being used in an isis recruiting video, man, talk about hutzpah. there's no evidence of that. there's no evidence of that at all. i could not believe she said that without any evidence. this is how they play the game on the left. >> chris, when you hear that, what does that tell you? >> well, that's an argument being -- bill bennett on the right and jeb bush on the center right. i'm not sure that has anything to do with this kind of

behavior. hillary clinton made a charge, if she's right, she'll look smart. i think it will be a draw. we know that trump's position is that islamic people shouldn't be allowed in the country until we figure out this thing, as we put it, it's a slam to a religion. most of us are born to a religion. to say that anyone born to muslim, or baptist, or roman catholic, it's something you were brought up in and you were taught, and it's your faith. to slam somebody or to keep them out of the country because that's the faith they were brought up in is unamerican, it's awful, it's bad. so that's the charge to make against trump. i think that's where hillary made a very specific charge, hillary clinton, and that's going to be the debate, i guess, whether that specific charge is true or not. and also this question, did trump say he wasn't going to let

american servicemen and women back in the country who have been posted overseas? is that true? if somebody's deployed to afghanistan or iraq or west germany and they're coming home after their tour is up, they're not allowed back in? did trump ever say that? i don't think he did. maybe i'm wrong. that would be a horrendous thing to do, to say service people aren't allowed to do their duty to their country. do you know if he said that? >> i do not. >> i think that's another charge that has to be discussed whether it's factual or not. >> and you just finished a long documentary which airs tomorrow night. i want to share some clips and then get your thoughts. >> closer to home, across the street from his home, the skating rink in central park has been closed for years. it's 1986. >> they spent $20.over a

seven-year period and i said this is ridiculous. this shouldn't take years to build and i was able to convince everybody to let me build it. >> donald, as the gifted self-promoter went out there and pitched this, as i got the project done, but the new york city government couldn't get it done. >> i think you see the same instinct coming out now that you did with the wallman rink with trump being frustrated at how inept and useless government is, and jumping in and saying, i'm going to fix this. >> so chris, as you were working on this documentary, was there anything that surprised you that you didn't know before? >> well, i guess he's almost 70. the guy's had a life of fighting it out with new york unions, dealing with the people you have to deal with when you do any construction job, having to do with privilege in new york city, local politicians, and yet, somehow crashing his way through that and getting buildings up. i was walking down -- up fifth

avenue with my son thomas and i look up and there's trump tower on fifth avenue. maybe it's out of size for that street and maybe it shouldn't be there, whatever the argument, but he got it done. he gets all these buildings done. and through all the bankruptcies and divorces, and whatever he does, he manages to crash through when everybody says he can't. i think people are going to learn a lot more than they know now and they'll be able to win every argument over christmas time. anybody in american life that watches this network is going to be arguing about trump. and he'll come out of that with one hell of a lot of ammo. whether it's trump, anti-trump, or mixed. yeah, he's made money, he's brash, but he's got something. i'm not sure if it's bad or not. but let's find out what it is. i think coming out of our doc, you will know more than you know

now. >> he pulls no punches and he's quite the communicator as you've said in the past. >> chris matthews, thanks so much. >> thank you. donald trump will hold a rally tonight in grand rapids, michigan. it's where we find katy tur. the trump camp seeing this hillary attack as a political gift. can we assume we'll hear more about this tonight? >> i have no doubt he'll be hitting hillary pretty hard tonight. he has been hitting her throughout the campaign season, but only escalating his attacks the past few weeks, moving away from his other opponents and hitting hillary instead, as if it's the general election campaign already. not necessarily a primary election. that's partially because his competition is ted cruz and he has a hold fire with him, and seems like he won't break that until he has to. so he's moving on to a larger

target, calling her weak, calling her ineffectual. calling her a liar, saying he's going to reinvestigate the e-mails and benghazi. that's when these crowds go absolutely wild for him. it's one of his biggest applause lines. if you stand outside here or any one of his rallies, you'll see pin hawkers, like the campaign pin hawkers, hawking pins that say hillary for jail time. no one's a fan of her actually at these rallies. and no one's a fan of donald trump at her rallies. so they're catering to their base of support. i want to clarify something about service members not being allowed back in if they were muslim, donald trump did not say that, and his campaign said if an american serviceman was serving overseas and they were muslims, that, yes, they could be allowed in the country. one more note on the inflammatory ban that he put out

a couple weeks ago. >> thanks so much for the very latest there. today republicans on the campaign trail are reacting to senator lindsey graham's exit from the race today. >> well, look, i want everybody's support. anyone that can jump on board, it's premature to ask for that, so let's give him time to get through the holidays. but we'd love the support -- hi support. >> you're the first one telling me. i have great respect and admiration for senator graham. and he was a real benefit to have in the race. i'm sorry he's dropped out, but that's a personal decision. he's a great man and a great american. >> it is what it is. and that's what this process is. over the course of time, obviously, more people will drop out. and hopefully, they will

continue to be part of the process, contribute their wisdom to the process and help heal our country. >> for the latest i'm joined now by msnbc political reporter kasie hunt. so graham, watching the polls here, just getting 1% in his home state. not too much higher than he was getting in many other polls. supporters will not make a difference if we just look at that number. but could his endorsement make the difference here? he did so well for mccain in earlier cycles here. >> sure, richard. well, senator graham, of course, has said that the reason his numbers in south carolina were so low is because voters there wanted to see him get traction elsewhere. that wasn't happening. he thought he could potentially look to new hampshire as a place where he could win, but between not being able to get onto that main debate stage and not catching on, he hasn't been able to get where he wanted to be, and of course this was the last day where he could assure that

his name would not be printed on the south carolina ballots. i think you got to look at this from a couple of different perspectives, based on these early states. first of all, new hampshire, the establishment is looking like they're going to make their stand there with donald trump and ted cruz appearing to be strong on iowa, and with trump pretty strong in south carolina. if that new hampshire field is fractured even further by a senator graham candidacy, that potentially hurts what graham has basically said is his overall mission here, which is to get republicans to win the white house. he's been on something of a crusade between donald trump and hispanic voters and trying to convince his own party that their demographics are really in trouble and they need to start talking differently about some of these issues. but also think about south carolina and of course the fact that it came today on this deadline would suggest that graham is thinking quite a bit about his own home state and what it would mean. on the one happened, it would potentially be an embarrassment for him to be on the ballot and

come in last place, that poses a political problem for him in the long-term, but he also has a very deep and strong network in that state. he has a lot of people who are very loyal to him. graham is a master politician and technician. he really knows what he's doing, especially there. and this gives him a chance to have some real influence. and with trump, you know, having a very strong organization, a lot of people i talked to in south carolina say if he has a state where he's strong in south carolina, this gives graham an opportunity to take them on in a real way, richard. >> thanks so much. turning now to president obama who is in hawaii with his family for their annual holiday vacation, but before taking off last week, he sat down for an interview. isis and the fight against terror were a big focus on the conversation. nbc's kelly o'donnell, traveling with the president is in honolulu with more on that. the president gave a candid

interview here as you've been reporting, and we heard some new language from him when he was talking about isis. what did he say? >> well, richard, i think many people have been looking at the president's reaction to the public fear that has existed, especially after paris. and after the events in san bernardino. and looking at his own poll numbers on the issue of how he's handling isis and those have taken a real hit. and so the president reflecting on that has talked about the messaging from himself personally and his administration. he believes has fallen short in conveying to the public what isis is really at right now, in terms of how they have been kind of attacked by u.s. and coalition forces, their control over land mass shrinking, as the president said. and he talks about the difference between their ability to be a danger, to cause fear, harm, and death inside the united states, by influencing attacks like we've seen. but separating that from a

larger threat to the u.s. on a much bigger scale, our national economy, and our national military strength. the president talked about isis in this way. here's a clip from that interview. >> we have to take it seriously. they've shown in paris what they can do in an organized fashion and in san bernardino what we've seen is their ability to proselytize for their perverted brand of islam and spur small-scale terrorist attacks, and those are very difficult to detect. so it's going to be important for us to be vigilant. we are pounding isil's core structure in syria and iraq. i'm confident that we're going to prevail. but it is also important for us to keep things in perspective. and this is not an organization that can destroy the united states. this is not a huge industrial

power that can pose great risks to us institutionally or in a systematic way. but they can hurt us, and they can hurt or people and our families. so i understand why people are worried. >> and that acknowledgement, understanding the fear, the worry, the anxiety in the public, is something that the president spoke to in more detail there, and of course at a time like the holidays when people are traveling, when there are big group activities, when there are people gathering in public spaces, some of that anxiety is understandably increased on the part of the public. so i think the president in these remarks, which as you can see, were in the white house before coming here for his annual hawaii trip, were to try to speak to that. and at the same time, give from his point of view, a perspective on where isis or like-minded groups have some limitations in terms of how the u.s. would be

dealing with them. so it's threading the needle, but as you pointed out, richard, it's hearing the president in a slightly different way, addressing some of those fears and concerns. richard? >> 11:23 local time there in honolulu. kelly, thanks so much. coming up, inside the battle to retake ramadi, the exclusive video, an anti-isis tribal fighter gave us here at msnbc. it's taken in iraq. amid fears that isis is using civilians as human shields. fast, powerful liquid gels from alka seltzer plus ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

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>> bernie sanders apologized to hillary clinton over the recent

data flap at saturday night's democratic debate, but that doesn't mean the matter's all settled. joined now by mark murray. as you know, mark, clinton spokesman on air moments ago, clearly saying the clinton campaign is not ready to bury the hatchet. i'll just play a little bit of that for our viewers that may not have seen that first. >> in the 48 hours since quite strankly, senator sanders himself and his campaign manager have gone around trying to downplay the severity of the breach last week, by suggesting there's some kind of apples to apples comparison to something that happened last october. i can tell you this, unequivocally, our campaign has never laid eyes on any data belonging to the sanders campaign, let alone tried to make use of it or copy it. that's what they did to us last week. we've never done that to them. they need to stop spreading this innu innuendo to make it seem like everybody's doing this.

>> it appears the hatchet is not buried. what's the strategy from the clinton campaign? >> the clinton campaign wants to say that their data was taken and they want that back. and richard, it's important to note that the vendor in this entire episode ended up saying a one-page data summary was taken from the clinton campaign by the sanders campaign. and that was confirmed by the democratic national committee which wanted the audit of what was actually taken. it's important for viewers to know that the way in this entire system works, all the actions are very traceable and trackable. so it's very easy to find out who took what and when. and we even at nbc news have a pretty good running list of a lot of that information. it's important also to note that the sanders campaign on msnbc earlier this afternoon, said they are going through their own investigation, determining what they might have. they're happy to turn over whatever, but i think you end up seeing by the clinton campaign coming on our air saying they

want that stuff back asap. >> and hillary clinton's team is generally jittery. when i asked brian fallon that, he seemed to be steady, but how worried might they be? he described the data, what they believed to be taken or seen is quit essential here. >> yeah, richard, i don't know what's on this one-page summary sheet that the vendor said was exported by the sanders campaign, but i think the totality of what we saw from the voter file information, has to do with voter lists that the clinton campaign has, its top targets, the 9s and 10s, 10 being the highest, 1 being the lowest. as well as some of the other voters that the campaign wasn't really as strong with. so in a lot of ways, it was almost kind of your playbook. it's almost important to note

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msnbc has obtained battlefield video from an anti-isis tribal fight ner iraq. we didn't shoot it, nor do we know the circumstances surrounding the events. it may be a turning point, though n the battle against isis from what we've seen. joining us now, cal perry. take us through this video. it's very insightful in terms of what's happening on the ground there. >> and very intense. go ahead and take a listen to this first one. we'll go ahead and play it.

>> it was an air strike by an iraqi air force jet on what they believe was a car bomb that isis had ready to go. we understand there was five car bombs, five suicide bombers used against the iraqi army. as we move to the next video, this is going to be in a school, an area to the southeast of the city, the tamin neighborhood. this is the iraqi army again, backed by tribal fighters, clearing this school room by room of isis fighters. and the thing about this video that i think is really important, you'll see the iraqi army as they make their way up these stairs. they're doing so with an iraqi flag. the idea there is to drape the side of the school with the iraqi flag as a message to the residents of that area, that they are there, they are there fighting isis. this was an area that was taken control of by isis about five months ago. >> right. >> and what president obama wants to see, what so many want to see is this, the iraqi army

in the lead with tribal fighters backing them up. >> certainly not only the war on the ground, but the war of communication and saying we are making progress here, and this is so important from that perspective. talk about ramadi and why it's important on the map. >> key city in the anbar province. there are hundreds of marines probably throwing things at their tv. this is a map we were familiar with in 2006. ramadi was fought over heavily by marines, more than 5,000 marines taking part in that fight. but areas controlled by isis and ramadi is right in the center of that. so the hope is, this city will fall back to iraqi army troops by around christmas. that's what the prime minister wants, and if it does, they hope to turn north and take mosul after that. >> thanks so much, cal perry. you can see more of these videos, and a full report, log on to msnbc.com. there's a winter storm moving

through the northwest, but don't expect a white christmas in new york city or along much of the east coast. what you should expect, we've got that next.

so today is officially the first day of winter, it's about to happen, and many experts expect weather records to be broken this week. just not for cold or snow. unseasonably high temperatures are covering much of the united states leaving some people to sweat in their holiday sweater. let's bring in rafael miranda. the temperatures seem to be backwards. >> yeah, we're talking about a warmer christmas in boston than phoenix. warmer in new york than los angeles. so things are flip-flopped here, due to the el nino, with the jet stream bubbling up. these are the christmas eve forecast temperatures. 73 in new york city. record warm from new york down to the southeast. storminess there as well. cold is out west, in the

rockies, it will stay there christmas eve into christmas day. a cooldown for your friday, instead of the 70s, 60s in new york city, probably not going to be record, but d.c., 67 degrees. obviously this means no snow for the major cities and we're expecting hundreds of records to fall, starting out on christmas eve. boston, the old record, 61, we're going for 67 this year. portland, right down through philadelphia, smashing those records. now christmas day, again, a cooldown. so the 70s replaced by 60s, but still we're expecting to break records from portland, boston, new york city probably not. philadelphia will be close. to the atlantic and the southeast, your christmas day is very warm. record warm from raleigh through jacksonville, tampa, mobile, atlanta, christmas even in texas, record temperatures there. no white christmas. sorry, kids, i love the snow on christmas too, but it's not happening east of the rockies

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of california, where in the last hour, the hearing wrapped up for enriq enrique marquez, the friend and

former neighbor of syed farook. marquez is charged with buying the assault rifles used in the terror attacks and for planning attacks in 2011 and 2012 that never took place. there's no evidence he played a role in the san bernardino massacre. pete williams is following the story for us and joins us with more. pete, what happened in court today? >> well, no surprise here. the government asked that he be held without bail, and the judge agreed. although, for slightly different reasons, the government said that not only was he a danger to the community, but he was also a flight risk. the judge said there was no indication that he was a flight risk but agreed he could be a danger to the community, so he'll be held without bail pending his trial. that will be undoubtedly sometime next year. his next court date will be in january. he'll be back in about two weeks, to enter a plea. but in the meantime, the government may file an

indictment, and that could change the dates slightly. but this was a very short hearing. he has two public defenders who were allowed time to meet with him, that stretched the time for the hearing out a little bit. but given that this is a terrorism case, the government is entitled to ask that he be held without bail and the judge agreed with that request today. >> thanks, pete. we're following developing news also this hour out of afghanistan where a suicide bomber on a motorcycle killed six u.s. troops. the taliban posted a message on twister claiming responsibility for that attack. let's bring in chapman bell from london with the latest on that. chapman, what do we know this hour? >> richard, what we know right now is that six american soldiers were killed in this attack. they were on a routine security patrol around the base, when an individual came up on a motorcycle and blew himself up. we're also hearing three other members of the coalition forces, which include afghan soldiers were also wounded in this

attack. two of these are said to be americans. in a statement released today, brigadier general wilson shauf sner said we're deeply saddened by this loss and our heart-felt sympathies go out to the family and friends of those affected by this tragic incident, especially during the holiday season. this is said to be the worst attack on afghanistan since six were killed in a july 2012 roadside bombing. though coalition and american troops have been targeted before. >> any indication, any confirmation that the taliban is actually responsible at this early hour? >> not at this point. but they did claim spn responsibility for this attack. it was an inflated number of casualties in their statement, but taliban attacks have intensified across the country.

and we're hearing right now, the reports that suggest taliban militants are close to overrunning the town of sangen in helman province. >> chapman bell, thanks so much. the united states has ramped up the military campaign against isis in 2015. special operations forces have been deployed in iraq and syria. and as the president said last week, the air strike campaign against isis is at its height. >> we are hitting isil harder than ever. coalition aircraft, fighters, bombers and drones have been increasing the pace of air strikes, nearly 9,000 as of today. last month in november, we dropped more bombs on isil targets than any other month since this campaign started. we're also taking out isil leaders, commanders and killers, one by one. >> let's bring in malcolm nance, executive director of the terror asymmetrics project. one of the points made by president obama in an interview

with npr was that he did not believe that at this moment isis represents an existential threat to the united states. how would you define or understand what he's trying to say there? >> well, the president's trying to say isil can't collapse the united states. it's true. they represent a physical threat to the united states and u.s. citizens around the world. and like al qaeda, that's something that has to be managed, contained and degraded and destroyed. >> there's always this map that came in "the new york times," showing areas lost to isis in tikrit and iraq. but it also shows areas they gained in central syria. as you look at the balance for the area, positive net net for isis or negative? >> negative for isis. they've lost strategic ground. right now the syrian army is

counterattacking on that very place. they're having to defend in many places. they're defending in ramadi. there was a slaughter in rammar. 187 troops killed by air power alone. isis is taking it right now. and they're worse than contained. they're starting to collapse in some areas and we think this year is the year they're going to regret that they made these offensives. >> as you do look at the different plans that are out there at the moment, the president sounding confident in his news conference last week. and he laid out a four-point plan. there's also lindsey graham, whom you know, just dropped out of the race. he had his plan, with you nbut o longer in the race for president. of the plans that you've seen out there, which one do you believe, or elements thereof, that would be best for dealing with isis?

the president's and lindsey graham's just two of them. >> i favored lindsey graham's to a certain extent. because at this point, something has to be done on the ground with more capacity than we can get out of kurds and the iraqis. perhaps as we start to degrade isis, we could possibly get a pan arab force to come in between the syrians and to make sure that the areas that isis moves out of, or collapses out of of, doesn't go back into chaos. that's how isis gestates. so i think secretary clinton has a very good plan, because it's an extension, plus plus of the obama plan and it's rational. that's what we need to the middle east these days. >> malcolm nance, thanks so much. appreciate your time today. >> my pleasure. now here's jane wells with the cnbc market wrap. we have closed the markets for the day on this holiday week. how did it go?

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that key crowning moment at last night's miss universe pageant took a surprising turn. >> i have to apologize.

the first runner-up is colombia. >> he got it wrong. heeft steve harvey later took to twitter and said, i'd like to apologize whole heartedly for my huge mistake. i feel horrible. my next guest knows the pressure of competing in the miss universe pageant. she represented the u.s. at the 2009 pageant and joins me now from los angeles. kristin, as you're seeing this video here, what was your reaction to seeing all that play out. you could hear the audience. it was a cacophony. >> oh, my gosh, my heart broke when i saw this for the first time. i actually felt sick in my stomach. nauseous for her because i can totally relate to what it feels like to work so hard for

something, to eat, sleep, and breathe a dream for so long. especially for someone like colombia, who i know has worked for it for so long and to taste what it would feel like just for an instant and then have it taken from you. so it was a really sad moment, but what i love about it, the way that she's handled it, with class and dignity and grace. i think that life isn't about the conflict, it's about how we handle conflict and adversity and she's done that so well. >> as part of this, as you know, having been through this, this is well rehearsed. >> the crowning moment is well rehearsed? >> the entire pageant. this is not something that is not well practiced. >> yes, we do have a lot of rehearsals. i know steve harvey said that he didn't rehearse the card. >> no, he didn't. >> and i don't think we'll ever really understand what happened and what went through his head.

i think we have to take his apology at face value and show him the same grace if we made a mistake like this. i know his mistake was costly to miss colombia and her country. but we need to bond together as humans and just show each other grace and forgiveness. >> just an idea. should they both be crowned? >> i thought of that myself. and i don't know. there's something really sweet and lovely about that idea. it definitely isn't traditional, but there could be a broader reach for the philippines and colombia and them being able to stre speak different languages. in an ideal world, both would be great title holders. >> donald trump had suggested that on the "today" show that perhaps they both take the title and it would be very unique, but as you said, not done before.

>> thanks so much. and taking time with us today, kristin dalton wolfe who represented the u.s. in the 2009 pagea pageant. >> thank you. >> that does it for this hour. i'm richard lui. stick around. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it's monday, there's one less establishment candidate in the republican race. for weeks we've been asking if the party needs to push the panic button. but should the gop establishment be reaching for a different button. the one marked reset. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. how does a long shot candidate who's barely registering in the polls change the 2016 race? maybe by quitting. today was the deadline for